Posts by Cold Steel

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Are any of the 1st Cnetury Apostles Still Alive Today ?

by maccauk in

the second coming was in the 1st century all things have been fulfilled because jesus told them some would still be alive when he returned.

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Cold Steel

The apostle John was said by many to have been translated by the Lord, as Enoch and Elijah were:

Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
John 20:20-24

People who are translated don't skip the dying process; it just happens that they are changed from flesh and bone to a translated state, then are resurrected in the twinkling of an eye.

If true, then yes, John remained. We know that Jesus died in 33 A.D., yet John's Apocalypse was written circa 100 A.D. There was a legend that the Romans tried to kill him by dropping him into a vat of boiling oil, but that he emerged from it unharmed. He was then exiled to the island of Patmos, where he lived many years before vanishing shortly after the Apocalypse was written.

It's rumored that he's now living in Brooklyn under an assumed name and is a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. He's in charge of establishing new dates for Armageddon and subsequent articles for why the dates didn't pan out.

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Anyone interested in sending your name to Mars.

by James Mixon in

jw
friends

nasa will upload the registered names to a dime-size chip and secure it to the insight lander deck, the last day to submit your name nov. 1st 2017.. enjoythesilence.today/2017/10/03/nasa-offers-program-send-your-name-mars/.

yes i will send in my name and when i get to paradise i can tell those that are resurrected, you see that planet there my name is up there.i know it's hard to believe but our buddy adam didn't have a clue what was out there,the poor guy didn't realize there was a large village two miles down the road.. ok maybe i won't make it to paradise but a guy can dream crazy thoughts.....but seriously you can send your name to mars..

Cold Steel

How can one's name be read? If a space guy comes along and says, "Hey, look, someone dropped a dime. Now what's a dime doing way out here...oh wait, it's not a dime, it's a microchip. Anyone know how to tell what's on this?"

"Hmmm...that is old. I have an ancient piece of Earth hardware back in my office but this thing is far too tiny. Nah...my reader is something called Betamax. It was supposed to be better than VHS."

"What's VHS?"

"It was before DVDs"

"What's a DVD?"

"It's what this thing should have been written on."

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Just overheard this after meeting . . .

by neat blue dog in

the annual meeting just finished, and here's a conversation i overheard from two gushing jws:.

sister:.

they said we're so close!.

Cold Steel

What makes them think the Governing Body would know? This isn't just a rhetorical question, the GB has made it quite clear that they are not inspired, nor do they receive revelation in our day. They couldn't be clearer as to what this means -- it means that they have no more clue than anyone else.

Blind guides leading the blind....

BTW, when it does come, how will it come? Let's say it happens tomorrow. What kind of day will it be? I still don't know what JWs expect. A storm? Earthquake? Fire from heaven?

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Do They Still do Door-to-Door as Much as Before?

by cofty in

since the advent of the trolleys do the majority of jws still go door to door like we used to?.

do they still have meetings for field service on sat mornings and sun afternoons where most head off to the local territory while one or two go to do trolley work or has the importance of door to door work reduced?.

with the reduction of printing wts and awakes what will they offer at the doors?.

Cold Steel

They still go door-to-door, but they no longer push for personal Bible studies. The time was, they'd ask you if you wanted them to come back, then they'd tell you about their Bible study program and actively push it. Now, they come to our neighborhood, bail out of their cars and an hour later they meet back, pile in the cars and hit a Denny's. When we answer the door, they cram some magazines into our hands and are gone.

Back in the 70s they were more aggressive and they knew their Bibles much more than they do now. They're just more interested in getting to the restaurant nowdays.

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Do you have a comfort dog?

by compound complex in

jw
friends

greetings, dog owners and lovers:.

since i wrote "i walk dogs" a few days ago, i started caring for a new little fellow.

feisty and noisy, bouncing off the walls.

Cold Steel

Dogs are great...but my number one love are cats. I've never owned a dog, primarily because they need walking so much. It's a way of bonding. My cat goes on walls with us and doesn't need a leash. At night he sleeps by my head or climbs up on my shoulder to settle down.

The worst thing about animals is having to put them down when they're too sick to recover. Everything I know about dawgs I learned in this video.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3yNSF7ljOoU

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Archangels

by dogisgod in

the jws teach that jc is michael the archangel.

how many archangels does the bible mention?

is it three?.

Cold Steel

There aren't that many angels mentioned in the Bible. Many religions believe that Gabriel and Michael are archangels, but most concede Michael was the chief angel. Michael is mentioned in Jude regarding the body of Moses in Jude 9:

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil, he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. (Jude 9)

In the Dead Sea Scrolls there's a document that asserts that Moses did not die in the mount, as Exodus states. Rather, that he was taken up as were Enoch and Elijah. Thus, the dispute in Jude. If Michael were Jesus, I doubt he would back away from a direct confrontation as Michael is said to have done.

An archangel in traditional Christian angelology, is a being of the eighth order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy. The chief angels are said to be They are: Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel.

Michael, who leads all of the holy angels, often works on missions that involve fighting evil, proclaiming God's truth, and strengthening people's faith.
Gabriel, who communicates God's most important announcements to humans, specializes in helping people understand God's messages and apply them to their lives well.
Raphael, who serves as God's main healing angel, cares for the health of people, animals, and every other part of God's creation.
Uriel, who focuses on wisdom, often works on missions of helping people learn more about God, themselves, and others.

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Quotes where Watchtower claims inspiration

by krismalone in

http://www.eaec.org/cults/jw/jw5.htm.

Cold Steel

I've often wondered if, not only GB members but leaders of any exclusivistic religion, ever question if they're on the right track. If they really believe in Jehovah as the ancient Hebrew God who led the Israelites out of Egypt by miracles, how could they know they've been chosen by the same God to leadership roles in our day? What would happen if a group of reformers within the Church (and it is a church) decided to break away and start a new movement, teaching essentially the same doctrines, but reforming the mind control aspects, abandoning the policy of creating dates, reversing the blood doctrine, introducing love into the shunning policy, opening the bread and wine to all members and reforming the faithful and discreet servant doctrine, perhaps even changing it from a prophecy and changing it to parable or metaphor status?

Why would the reformed movement be any less legitimate than the one existing now? After all, when Charles T. Russell founded the sect, he was not operating under any heavenly directive, was he? Nor was Joseph Rutherford. If the core doctrines are the important thing, why would a reformed movement be any less legitimate? When Jesus inspected all the world's religions and the JWs say he chose theirs, how do we know? We're taking their word for it.

If such a thing happened, do you think it would negatively affect the present system?

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Quotes where Watchtower claims inspiration

by krismalone in

http://www.eaec.org/cults/jw/jw5.htm.

Cold Steel

They can't have it both ways. Either the GB claims divine appointment and inspiration, or it doesn't. On their website, they say they aren't inspired like the ancient apostles nor are they infallible, so how inspired are they? And how many degrees of inspired are there? If Elisha can call down fire on fifty, can a GB member call down a summer day in the middle of July?

I'd think only two levels. They are or they ain't. But it seems that if they're right about something, they want to take credit for it and if they're wrong they want to chalk it up to human error.

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If You Question The Governing Body, You're Like Korah

by pale.emperor in

anyone who questions the governing bodys authority is labelled as an apostate and almost always they bring up the story of korah and his revolt against moses.. watchtower august 1st, 2002, the article loyally submit to godly authority paragraphs 8-15.. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002563.

in not so subtle hint, the gb likens themselves to moses, and those who disagree with the gb are korah.. paragraph 15 is actually quite damaging to the gb's argument though:.

it was so unnecessary for all those people to lose their lives.

Cold Steel

Actually, Moses and Aaron didn't risk their lives. If I recall correctly, God told them to go and not to be afraid. In other words, they were under the protection of God. How could they be risking their lives. According to the story, it was the Pharaoh who was the one in danger.

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Those who DO NOT get a resurrection?

by stuckinarut2 in

so we know that by jw logic, the idea is that everyone who dies is acquitted of their sin and will get a resurrection in the "new world".

however, those directly destroyed by god, or at his command will not.

(for example, those destroyed in the flood.

Cold Steel

The Bible doesn't teach that anyone will be denied the resurrection. "For in Adam, all die; even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive." It doesn't say that all except the unrighteous or "the judged" shall be made alive. At the end of the thousand-year reign comes the resurrection of the unjust; and that means that both the just and unjust will be resurrected in the course of things.

The JWs get in trouble when they attempt to use logic in interpreting scripture. If Jehovah has already judged the people, they reason, why would he need to judge them again?

If Jehovah is the Father, as they surmise, one reason is that he won't be judging anyone. For "the Father judges no man, but has committed all judgment to the Son." (John 5:22)

Acts 24:15 Paul says, "There shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked."

John 5:28-29 says, "For an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment."

The Bible, they say, is their standard and, if so, they should know what it says; however, they frequently resort to using their own logic to deny what the scriptures say. If they want to believe their own stuff, fine by me, but they shouldn't turn around and claim to base their beliefs on the Bible. If they're right about them being the only true and operational earthly organization of Jehovah, fine, I'd prefer not to be resurrected but to just never regain consciousness. The same thing's true if cows turn out to be running the universe; however, they seem to have their doctrinal wires crossed on the resurrection.